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Vulcan pushes back Rollin Street close date; scrambling

Last week we gave an account of a group of Rollin Street buyers who were worried about closing on their units and have been largely kept in the dark leading up to their March 15th close date. 

Today, we obtained a letter from a Vulcan representative to buyers at Rollin Street (see below). It appears Vulcan has been forced to address the issue of their buyers' lack of financing due to the possibility of a new Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac rule that would make it even harder (read near impossible) for buyers to obtain financing.

As a result of the new rule, Vulcan has pushed back the close date one month to April 15th, and are scrambling to find a workable solution within the next 2-3 weeks. I am hearing more and more from interested observers that this project could end up going luxury apartments, but it's still hearsay at this point. It certainly will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.


With the completion of Rollin Street quickly approaching, we wanted to give you an update on the project's status.

As you may know, new restrictions to pre-sale requirements being imposed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are affecting condominium buyers and developers all over the country.

Specifically, regulatory changes being implemented on March 1st may require a condominium project to be 70% pre-sold before buyers are able to close with traditional financing. Rollin Street is not 70% pre-sold, nor will it be by our originally projected closing dates.

We are in the process of considering the full effect of these regulatory changes. Unfortunately, we have enough information to announce that closings at Rollin Street will be postponed until at least April 15, 2009.

We are working through the challenges posed by these regulatory changes and will be sending an update on our progress and a course of action in approximately 2-3 weeks.
Rolln
I have a funny feeling they are going apartments, too.
Comment by rollinst.
February 12, 2009
There goes another one...
In the words of Rainman:

Apaaaartments. Def... def... definitely apaaaartments.
Comment by dkonopacki
February 12, 2009
Interesting...
Thinking beyond just the Rollin St issue, wouldn't these new Fannie/Freddie rules pretty much make it impossible for any new condos to be built, unless they were built with the apartment fallback in mind? What developer would build pure-condos knowing he needs to pre-sell at least 70% or likely lose most of their investment when forced to go apartment?
Comment by Tim S
February 12, 2009
RE: Interesting...
Great post on this restriction and others by real estate agent Ben K. here: http://seattlecondosandlofts.com/2009/02/fannie-mae-revises-

It seems like this rule will put a real damper on higher-end condo buildings--ones with price levels above FHA limits. This may not be a bad thing from an affordability standpoint going forward.

Another interesting rule is the "No more than 20% of a project can consist of non-residential space" stipulation. This probably has the largest impact on the condo/hotel projects that were popular among developers before the bust.
Comment by rick.s
February 12, 2009
apartments!
At this point, I don't see a way Rollin *won't* be apartments this summer. The contracts state they must close by July. There's no way they're going to sell 70% by then.
Comment by Rollin buyer
February 12, 2009
Thanks for the info
I'm glad to have found this post about Rollin Street - it is nice to have this extra information, so thank you!

I also just received one of these form letters from Luke B., and I got to say, it really doesn't seem to me like this is the kind of message you'd send to someone who you think you're going to be doing business with in the near future.

This is a lot of uncertainty to be springing up at the last minute. (And it is ironic too, considering how much Vulcan has been squealing about Veer owners who no longer qualify for financing).
Comment by Rollin Jr.
February 13, 2009
Rollin on facebook
Hey guys/gals, if any of you purchased presale at Rollin (Rollin Jr.) you should join the Facebook group: "Rollin Street Buyers". It's only for owners (which may never happen now) and it's a place to discuss sensitive issues concerning what we are going through...etc...
Comment by rollinst.
February 13, 2009
My humble advice
Here's my humble advice to Vulcan on Rollin Street.

1) Don't drag this closing limbo out through July. Your pre-buyers have been waiting with you for 2 years, and you owe them a quick resolution in 2-3 weeks. The uncertainty likely generated by any further delay is bound to drive up anxiety and critical responses.
2) Give Rollin pre-buyers the chance to get into Enso and Veer at a reduced price (say 10-15%?), or offer them a concession (free upgrades?). This offer will be seen as a fair gesture towards your most loyal fans and you may be surprised that a number of Rollin buyers will jump at this. This would also give Vulcan the opportunity to increase Enso's occupancy.
3) Give Rollin pre-buyers the opportunity to leave now with all of their upgrade and earnest money. I know there are buyers who would like this option as well because they specifically wanted a unit in Rollin St. For these buyers, a clean break will let everyone move on.
Comment by Rollin Jr.
February 14, 2009
Rollin
I like your humble advice.
Comment by rollinst.
February 15, 2009
What's the pre-sold rate?
Does anyone know the current sold rate at Rollins? Just how far from 70% are they?
Comment by DeborahP
February 18, 2009
RE: What's the pre-sold rate?
The percentage is around 25% I believe.
Comment by rick.s
February 19, 2009
Actual financeable pre-sales vs. pre-sales
25% if you count all the pre-sales contracts, once you start diving in a little deeper and seeing who will have the financing to close - I'd say you're looking at 15-20%.
Comment by Rollin Jr.
February 19, 2009
apartments vs.lower prices
Would it be better for Vulcan to convert Rollin St to apartments, or to lower the prices to increase sales? I would think that they would at least try the latter. Personally, I wouldn't even consider buying at the current prices, but with a 10-20% lower price, I might.
Comment by slufan
February 20, 2009
re: apartments vs. lower prices
Even if prices are reduced 10-20% I still think there aren't the buyers out there in this economy - and the question isn't whether you might try try and buy at a lower price - it's whether you can actually get financing even at those lower prices.

Plus, keep in mind Vulcan has a lot of Rollin St. pre-sale buyers who have been waiting two years for this thing to close and they are not willing to be strung out much longer.
Comment by Rollin Jr.
February 21, 2009
2-3 weeks...
It's now been 3 weeks to the day since Vulcan said they'd let us know. Still no word. =(
Comment by DeborahP
March 03, 2009
Rollin
We heard from Vulcan today through an email. Another delay. Now it's the end of March. I see this going on for a long time.
Comment by rollinst.
March 05, 2009
Another Rollin delay
True words rollinst, this is going to go on for a long time.
Comment by Rollin Jr.
March 05, 2009
Next steps for Rollin owners?
Oh yeah, one other thing, I did see this interesting comment over at Urbnlivn. http://www.urbnlivn.com/2009/02/01/earnest-money/#comment-66938
Comment by Rollin Jr.
March 05, 2009
Marselle Condo
I'm a early Marselle Condo buyer....Do you folks think before they complete the project or that they will go apartment as well?
Comment by Kevin
May 13, 2009
Mar Sailed
Hey Kevin the marselle looks to be complete. I have also not seen a single add or any pr on the project. If you ask me I think that they are still trying to decide to rent or sale the units. But as for them being move in able in the next 21 days (no way) Good luck
Comment by Mike
May 30, 2009
Rollin St
What's going on with this now?
Comment by Robert
August 22, 2009
Word on the St
I guess they are awesome places?!
Comment by Robert
August 22, 2009
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